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Ron Paul: The Next Abraham Lincoln?
Since I fell back on an old standby and made fun of Barbaro and somebody got mad at me (see comments), I figured I’d shoot at another fish in the barrel and make fun of Ron Paul. I think people actually know who Ron Paul is now, since my mom says she likes his idea of getting rid of the income tax, which he apparently talked about on Meet the Press, and a bunch of other people knew who he was, too. This is the man who doesn’t believe in evolution, which probably has no bearing on a president but still sort of creeps me out since it’s, like, ninth grade science. Does Ron Paul not believe in Charlemagne from my freshman year world history class, too? But nothing I can make fun of Ron Paul about is funnier than things his supporters write. Libertarians have been trolling the Internet since around 2001; Ron Paul supporters have just upped the ante by trolling real life with a blimp instead. Ron Paul supporters do not like jokes about Ron Paul. And Ron Paul supporters are dead serious about Ron Paul. Bla bla bla important presidential election whatever. Fortunately, none of this will matter because some website reports there is a neocon plot to assassinate Ron Paul!
Famed assassination victims George Washington and Andrew Jackson are so much like Ron Paul. The George Wallace comparison is a nice touch. He means this guy, right? Update: Philadelphia Will Do does not condone or encourage killing anyone, be it Barbaro or Ron Paul. I am sure Ron Paul will not be assassinated. Thank you. |
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RP supporters are pretty hard core. Im one.. Ron Paul represents change. No other candidate represents any positive change. He has a better grip on the reality our economy.. He actually served instead of deferred (sp). His message hasnt changed in 30 years. His voting record backs what he says.
I like the guy. He is standing up to a system that needs standing up too!!
my 2 cents.
Ron Paul is no Abraham Lincoln. Paul has thoroughly bizarre beliefs about Lincoln and the Civil War and other issues in American History.
He’s either a wacko or neo-Confederate in his beliefs.
Either way, let’s hope he doesn’t win the presidency!
I love Ron Paul. Sure, some people who like Ron Paul are nuts, but, he has a great record. Better than all others running. He dosn’t even go to the hospital when he gets the Flu unlike the other guy..Rudolph, 911 nazi
Shame on you.
‘This is the man who doesn’t believe in evolution, which probably has no bearing on a president but still sort of creeps me out since it’s, like, ninth grade science.’
Well he is an MD, I imagine he might have done more than 5 minutes research on the matter before coming to this conclusion. Im a phd in biology and I personally agree with him, which means the chances are I know infinitely more about the subject than you. Understand that beliefs are derived from axioms and that science moves in paradigms and you may be less smug about your percieved notions of certainty. People thought Newton was right before Einstein. It will happen again.
‘But nothing I can make fun of Ron Paul about is funnier than things his supporters write.’
Sadly, as with most commentators, you would probably make fun about him over thing you do not understand. Resorting to attacking some of his more fanatic supporters is a simple method of smear by association. This works for some people but its a mark of your character that you stoop to this.
Reality check: If you do not sort out your economy you will have a melt down in 2-3 years. When you do, please remember there was a man who could have saved you who you spent your time ridiculing. Kudos.
‘This is the man who doesn’t believe in evolution, which probably has no bearing on a president but still sort of creeps me out since it’s, like, ninth grade science.’
Well he is an MD, I imagine he might have done more than 5 minutes research on the matter before coming to this conclusion. Im a phd in biology and I personally agree with him, which means the chances are I know infinitely more about the subject than you. Understand that beliefs are derived from axioms and that science moves in paradigms and you may be less smug about your percieved notions of certainty. People thought Newton was right before Einstein. It will happen again.
‘But nothing I can make fun of Ron Paul about is funnier than things his supporters write.’
Sadly, as with most commentators, you would probably make fun about him over thing you do not understand. Resorting to attacking some of his more fanatic supporters is a simple method of smear by association. This works for some people but its a mark of your character that you stoop to this.
Reality check: If you do not sort out your economy you will have a melt down in 2-3 years. When you do, please remember there was a man who could have saved you who you spent your time ridiculing. Kudos.
I belive that Ron Paul is right and that we as a people need to stand together to make Ron Paul are President!!! for the good of ALL PEOPLE!!
These comments are great.
For me, it has nothing to do with the polls. I just remember what happened to others that talked like Ron Paul does now. Who or why I don’t know, but history does repeat!
You know, I have another subject you can make fun of. Our generation has someone who inspires us to be creative and come together. We are finally ready to be a part of the voting process and we are being told we are spammers, that we don’t count, and we are insane. But hey, we must be crazy for wanting to have a say in our lives and our childrens as well.
What were we thinking???
Civil War, Lincoln, Ron Paul Wacko? He simply restates the same facts that have been printed, printed, and re-printed. When using terms such as wacko to describe a candidate you should consider using some hard evidence to back up statements. I assure you, if you crack open a few good books, you will retract your own opinion
Ron Paul. Is my hero!!!!!!!!
Civil War, Lincoln, Ron Paul Wacko? He simply restates the same facts that have been printed, printed, and re-printed. When using terms such as wacko to describe a candidate you should consider using some hard evidence to back up statements. I assure you, if you crack open a few good books, you will retract your own opinion
He’s no Abraham Lincoln for sure.. he would never start a war over states rights, and then once losing the war, try to make the war about slavery, so as to have an advantage towards winning.
It’s not that it is a racist view to examine history and realize.”hey, we could have done this without bloodshed..” I hate a feeling though, that most people who hear this view simply feel like those 650,000 Americans in the Civil War just deserved to die… it’s the same type of American indifference that keeps us from lifting a finger to help our neighbor.
Ron Paul’s has a vision of a world where it’s not like that. You should hop on board..
since my mom says she likes his idea of getting rid of the income tax
I can’t believe your mom goes to mass like 9 times a day and wants to get rid of income tax.
If you don’t understand it, just call it crazy. Typical for those who have been dumbed down and concern themselves more with sports scores and stats than their liberties. If you actually reached 9th grade sciece, as you claim, you should remember an old adage;
The world is flat and if you dispute it, you are nuts..well it appears that that conventional wisdom was quite wrong doesn’t it?
Well I’m coocoo for Ron Paul, oh yeah; and I vote.
Hello friends.
Ron Paul has passion. America is about progress, change, future, courage. He does appeal to the American spirit. I will investigate him further.
If you don’t understand it, just call it crazy. Typical for those who have been dumbed down and concern themselves more with sports scores and stats rather than their liberties. If you actually reached 9th grade science, as you claim, you should remember an old adage;
The world is flat and if you dispute it, you are nuts..well it appears that that conventional wisdom was quite wrong doesn’t it?
Well I’m cookoo for Ron Paul (actually his ideas), oh yeah; and I vote too.
Fortunately, the world doesn’t revolve around your opinion in your article. Nice try. And for all those who are so narrowed minded, they don’t see their own ignorance… LET’S HOPE RON PAUL DOES MAKE THE PRESIDENCY!
Well at least all those Ron Paul supporters proved dmac wrong by not continuing to troll the internet and not taking meaningless political stands on arbitrary websites. oh wait.
i mean keep on ramblin’ you crazy twelve year olds!
Ryan, what are you talking about? Twelve. Trolling? You have a rude awakening coming my friend. Seriously, I don’t support RP, but you got to hand it to his supporters. I found this article to be… well, stupid.
RP said evolution was a theory and not that he believed in it or not. You are the kind of person that makes Americans look stupid.
Ron Paul has a better grasp of history, science, medicine, and the U.S. Constitution that almost all in elected office these days, and certainly a better grasp than all of the other presidential candidates this year.
I am voting for Ron Paul.
I am gay.
I am a RON PAUL robot I am made of GOLD!!!
I think this is the George Wallace you’re looking for: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Wallace
Oh, by the way, this is a miserable excuse for journalism. I think it’s “wacko” to write an article before doing ANY research. The only actual information available in your article is in the comment section. The American public is not as brain-dead as you would like to believe.
My love for Ron Paul is surpassed only by my love for Mark B. Cohen.
D-Mac,
The Founding Fathers, who founded this country in the city of Philadelphia, were LIBERTARIANS, you moron!
Did you actually use the WONKETTE as a source? Seriously, what does it say about you when you have to site those kinds of wackos. Thats about as far as I had to read before I knew for sure this was purely opinion, without even a shred of journalistic credence, or factual (hell, even semi-factual) evidence.
p.s. RP does believe in evolution. The mans a doctor, for goodness sake.
Ron Paul’s antiwar stance is admirable, but his stance on social services and labor issues will allow the corporations and the rich to get richer at the expense of the middle class and poor in this country. His libertarian side is unacceptable to me. Government run education, police, army, road building, environmental protection, energy production, management of resources as well as health insurance can be a very good thing. These are, as I understand it, diametrically opposed to Paul’s point of view. He suggests it is better to let the private sector voluntarily take care of these things.
The Founding Fathers, who founded this country in the city of Philadelphia, were LIBERTARIANS, you moron!
Libertarians that thought it a worthy compromise to count “dem negroes” as 3/5ths of a person.
Libertarians rock!
I just farted
even saw the lights of the ron paul blimp, and it read D-MAC’S A PIMP
That’s your opinion. Ron Paul has never stated he doesn’t believe in evolution. Infact, the only evidence you have is that he said it was a “theory”, which it in fact is a theory. And at a debate, the candidates were asked to raise their hands for whom didn’t believe in evolution, and of the 3 hands that were raised Ron Paul’s hand was not. So, where does your evidence come from? I could go on and on about Dennis Kuccinich believing in alien warfare and that aliens are going to suck our brains out just because he talked about UFOS, but does that mean it’s true?
One of the great things about the RP campaign is how it seems to have elicited giggling comments by every potty-mouth in America. We can only think that these poor Sheepies must love Bush and his endless and bloody proxy war in that godforsaken dung heap known as the “Holy Land” — and that our taxes should go toward the continuance of that war and toward the further growth and and care of the countless lobby-fed parasitic bureaucrats who infest our government. I expect, if Paul loses (as they wish) there will be a lot less giggling among the Sheepies as their Shepards will want to shear them even closer. Baa-baaaaaa
His comment is that his views on evolution shouldn’t be a question regarding candidcay for president, because they are irrelevant. Personally, I’m an atheist and believe 100% in evolution. This is a theological and scientific discussion, not a presidential concern. His statement is that either way, no one can prove one way or the other, even though he believes in creation. This is called a wedge issue. Consider yourself wedged.
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011573.php
Ron Paul is a nut.
America needs more $$ for the military & the FBI,CIA,NSA etc.. We only have 700 miltary bases overseas, we need more. You peace lovin fools. USA is the best & need more oil & say in everything. It’s our world. So we are having some hiccups in Afghanistan & Iraq, so what? Like our commander-in-chief say’s, this is hard work! They will be the 51st & 52nd states in 6 years or less & we will add on from there.
Ron Paul is a nut.
America needs more $$ for the military & the FBI,CIA,NSA etc.. We only have 700 miltary bases overseas, we need more. You peace lovin fools. USA is the best & need more oil & say in everything. It’s our world. So we are having some hiccups in Afghanistan & Iraq, so what? Like our commander-in-chief say’s, this is hard work! They will be the 51st & 52nd states in 6 years or less & we will add on from there.
Ron Paul is a nut.
America needs more $$ for the military & the FBI,CIA,NSA etc.. We only have 700 miltary bases overseas, we need more. You peace lovin fools. USA is the best & need more oil & say in everything. It’s our world. So we are having some hiccups in Afghanistan & Iraq, so what? Like our commander-in-chief say’s, this is hard work! They will be the 51st & 52nd states in 6 years or less & we will add on from there.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT, AND YOU APPARENTLY AREN’T AWARE OF PAUL’S VIEWS. DURING THE REPUBLICAN DEBATE HE DID NOT RAISE HIS HAND WHEN ASKED ABOUT EVOLUTION. If you are against Dr. Paul, check out the Federal Reserve’s M3 indicator. We should all be aware of the extent of the devaluation of the dollar and inflation being caused by the fed and M3 is the best indicator of this. In general, when a U.S. government agency in the last five years has ceased publishing a data set, it has always been to cover up something. This has been a pattern without exception. So, what is being covered up here? Rumors have run rampant that the fed is printing 2 trillion dollars. While there is no hard proof to back up this claim, it is certainly within the realm of possibility(if this is happening, there is NO WAY the info would be let out, as this info in and of itself would cause a recession- just the report of m3 being discontinued caused gold to pop 10%… much more since). Alan Greenspan has been holding gold since 2004; who has more inside information on the federal reserve than he does? In the months prior to the discontinuation of M3, M2 and M3 were beginning to cease correlating as strongly as in the past, with M3 rising at a much greater rate. M3 is by far the most direct and easiest way of determining the amount of cash the fed is printing. When the fed discontinued this(which was right around the time Bernanke took over) they explained that M3 was not important and it cost to much to report. This was immediately declared bullcrap by anyone who knows anything about the fed’s indicators- they already have all of the numbers which make up M3. Apparently math is more expensive than it used to be. It is possible to determine M3 by yourself(the fed offered this up when it was discontinued) but that is practically as daunting a task as going to the store on a weekly basis and making lists in order to determine the Consumer Price Index. Luckily, 2 groups have calculated M3 on their own. The better site, in my opinion, is
http://www.nowandfutures.com/key_stats.html
Check out the rate of ascent since M3 was discontinued. M3 includes M2, plus institutional money market mutual funds, large-denomination time deposits, repo agreements on U.S. government and federal agency securities, and Eurodollars held by U.S. addressees overseas.
There are many reasons for the devaluation. Obviously one of those is to bolster exports… an undervalued currency sure works well for china. Another is the fact that the lower the dollar goes, the less our national debt is, relatively. Now to the Amero. Devaluing the currency wouldn’t necessarily be worth those two positives; however, they are already planning an eventual euro-like currency of North America and the fact that the dollar will be at an all time low will make it all the more simple for them to sell the idea to the people. The North American Union and the Amero are currently being discussed in Canadian politics and Vicente Fox was recently on Larry King talking about the Amero and the NAU meeting with Bush in Waco, Texas. They can’t really be denied at this point, even though the NAFTA superhighway has been taken up by special interests and split into two different connecting projects to avoid scrutiny.
As far as Ron Paul, he is the only person talking about all of this. Why? He is the only one talking about the outrageous powers our executive has been given. Why? These are the most important issues(along with foreign policy and his war stance) to me at this juncture, and the fact that Ron Paul *might*(I don’t believe so, but I’ll give the naysayers the benefit of the doubt) have a few outdated ideas that would never make it past congress is not enough to back off on my support for the man. The fact is that Ron Paul fights for what he believes in and INFORMS THE PEOPLE of what is going on even WITHOUT being president… and knowledge is necessary for our form of government. Add to this the fact that he will restore the powers of the executive to their constitutional levels(that certainly WOULD make it through congress) and you get a man I will back through thick and thin, despite the odds against him. Even so, you will be greatly surprised at what happens in the primaries. Another great link of Ron Paul telling off Bernanke on CSPAN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAwvlDJgJbM
It’s actually the second time he has told off Bernanke… great. Wow… I just wrote a lot.
“Well he is an MD, I imagine he might have done more than 5 minutes research on the matter before coming to this conclusion. Im a phd in biology and I personally agree with him, which means the chances are I know infinitely more about the subject than you.”
Sorry, this was way too good a post to just leave in one place!
You are amazingly misinformed (or possibly ignorant, but we’ll give you the benefit of the doubt). Or perhaps you wanted to give your website traffic the ‘Ron Paul Bump’. Don’t get caught with your facts down again, try a little more research next time.
But that’s OK, the number of people who understand what Ron Paul is really about are increasing exponentially. Resistance is futile.
The lack of ethos in your arguments undermines whatever credibility you may have had prior. Sadly, I’ve heard politics discussed more articulately by middle school children. After you revisit your ninth grade biology book, perhaps you should take a persuasive writing class at your local junior college, I’m sure they would gladly have you back.
What I find strange is that when common people write about Paul (like on a message board, on youtube, on Usenet, etc), it’s generally positive - but when I read anything from Google News, at least 50% of what I read is negative.
Ron Paul does believe in evolution - get your facts straight.
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This blog makes fun of everyone and everything. Not just Ron Paul. Get over yourselves.
ron paul does believe in evolution…
First, he acknowledged that the Theory of Evolution is just that, a theory. It, to my knowledge, has not been proven. That’s not to say I don’t think it has merit, and as far as the source you cite, he didn’t say it did not have merit, either.
That’s the problem with the articles today. They do a great job of referencing to other articles. But, when that article talks about a woman’s “catbag”, I take it with a grain of salt. That would also reflect negatively on the credibility of your article as well.
I’m not saying Ron Paul believes in the T.O.E., I’m just saying your source didn’t say that.
“…since it’s, like, 9th grade science…”
You know what? Who cares if he believes in the Theory of Evolution? WHO HONESTLY CARES? He’s running for the presidency of the United States, not handing out Nobel Prizes. I’m more concerned with people who don’t believe in our constiution, frankly. And those people would be the other clowns taking the stage at the debates. You know, the people who ask “How high?” when Exxon Mobile says “Jump!”
Hey, Paul F. Is a Ph. D, so clearly evolution is a hoax … and nevermind that his Ph. D didn’t teach him how to avoid double-posting his wacko views.
And I love that Jeremiah complains about repeating the same “Ron Paul is a wacko” comments … then proceeds to post his comments twice, too!
Follow your own policy, Ron Paul kook!
Thank God–he’s no Abraham Lincoln or W., the most recent Repuglican war criminal.
Ron Paul will do his best to set us free from the income tax. Ron Paul, like Jefferson and Jackson understands about how the federal reserve is robbing the american people of their wealth.
D-Mac what foolish display of ignornance there is in your writing. I recommend that you study more in the interests of accuracy unless you are comfortable with the “sheeple” tag.
Remember when the realisation dawns on just how broke America is that it was Ron Paul who bravely told you first and offered a solution to fix it.
Hey Louis, Britian called. They want their spelling of realization back.
These topics won’t seem like something to poke fun about when the US paper dollars return to their original value (nothing) because of corrupt monetary policy and the US economy is in shambles and the livelyhoods of millions of people are destroyed.
I was one of the 25,000 first time contributors to the Ron Paul presidential campaign on Dec. 16th. I really like Dr. Paul’s adherence to the philosophies of our founding fathers. I especially like the “no entanglements” part. With every pothole that I crash through and every creaky bridge that I survive, I think towards the time when President Paul’s sound domestic/foreign policies have Americans working to repair USA infrastructure instead of destroying and then rebuilding the rest of the world. Why just the cash given to Israel alone would have paid for the “$14 Billion Dollar Big Dig” in just over two (2) years. Next year Israel wants the cash in euros.
So many of Dr. Paul’s young supporters are written off as freaks, flakes or even worse. What I have come to understand is that many of them are the families and friends of all these young people coming back from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They know that they are next to be shipped off to some foreign land to fight and die in these endless wars that only the bankers love. Is that why this government pushes so hard for ever more poverty stricken immigrants? They need the poor for their war! Say, NO MORE!
Our government has admitted that almost 4,000 of our children have been killed so far in this war for Israel. Tens of thousands have been horribly maimed and burned. A literal army of teenagers and twenty-somethings in their wheelchairs. They have been permanently disfigured and they will forever suffer from this insane war for Israel.
I am almost fifty years old and I have always voted. I have already changed my party to Republican for the primary in my state (FL). I will be voting for Dr. Paul.
For the first time in my life, I sent $50 to a politician.
9th grade science?
Paul holds a Doctorate in medicine from Duke University.
His belief in divine creation has nothing to do with an evaluation of the facts, but is a spiritual belief. I would not bother Paul about this because I believe in “tolerance”, even though I am atheist I try to follow the Golden Rule.
The attacks on Ron Paul by the corporate media are to be expected. Typically they are shallow and specious attempts at character assasination, rather than substantive challenges.
The columnists slap at Ron Paul for believing that slavery could have ended without a Civil War are completely accurate. If the columnist had paid attention in world history, he’d have known that European nations ended slavery without wars slaughtering their people.
England simply purchased all the slaves, and set them all free, and outlawed future slavery. They didn’t rip their nation apart and slaughter 600,000 fellow citizens. Makes perfect sense to me, but then I’m not an ill informed corporate columnist.
Ron Paul is the only candidate who will end the CIA globalist militarist empire that is causing misery worldwide, bankrupting our economy, and ensuring slave labor markets worldwide by bolstering corrupt leaders, while murdering good ones.
The profits corporations like Halliburton make on such misery and interventionism goes into the trillions.
William Colby, former CIA Directory once said, “There is no media of any consequence in America that is not controlled by the CIA.”
Expect corporate media to slash Ron Paul with every dirty trick they can muster. That is what the CIA does to subvert democracies worldwide, and if that fails they kill good leaders and bolster corporate whores. This is historical fact.
HOWEVER, Americans are so sick of corporate media’s lies and manipulation, that I think we’ll see Ron Paul’s popularity grow as corporate media becomes more and more petty and viscous towards him.
I have and will continue to work and donate to Ron Paul’s campaign. Our democracy depends on his success!!
listen you liberal douche- his personal beliefs are irrelevant. he has said over and over that shit is supposed to be left to the states as far as what is taught, which is what the constitution says. even your leftwing icon dennis kucinich endorsed ron paul on video as a man of integrity and said he agrees with him on quite a bit and said he’d even ask him to be his vp if he won the nomination. here’s the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py8cXlLyX18
i forgot how fucking ignorant you people from philly are and i am happy to say i’ll never live there again. get fucked.
Oh it’s 9th grade Science, that’s pretty high up there in grades must be true! Charlemagne is real too, he had a Joyeuse sword and battled the moors, see says it here in a book. Bunch of morons out there don’t believe me too, wtf!
Jesus fucking Christ, does every Libertarian have a Ron Paul google alert and a form essay for blog comments sections?
Sorry, I don’t know what your point is.
First of all, Paul would have nothing to do with Lincoln, the man who endorsed slaughtering hundreds of thousands to keep the Union together or abolish slavery (take your pick). On that score, I have often wondered why 1) it was so damned important to keep the Union together and 2) an economic solution could not have been found to phase out slavery. Secondly, this issue of “Libertarians trolling the Internet” is ridiculous. Is that a joke? It’s like you are affiliating a certain “class” of people who search and root around for Ron Paul articles. Well, even so, people who are interested in Paul get nada from the mainstream–so where else are they supposed to go? And since you’re writing on the Internet, I presume you are not enthused with the daily rag or the dead-head TV box. Maybe you could even surmise that a lot of people have moved to the Internet, and a lot of them like Paul. Is that a stretch?
As for the Ron Paul blimp, that is a shining example of the frustration that exists today in America: a man with an important message cannot even get media coverage, so his supporters have to use some old-world technology to broadcast the message. It’s pathetically sad (that is the joke, by the way).
So, just start laughing at the corporatized campaign process, the impotent Congress, the do-nothing government hacks and sponges, the idea that the U.S. “owns the world,” and the “outdated” Constitution that was created by geniuses and very committed Patriots, and you’ll be sure to have a lot of material.
Your column is not funny. Its sad that you resort to juvenile tactics to discredit Ron Paul and his message of Freedom. Next time you should examine the issues and Ron Paul’s platform and tell readers why you agree or disagree. Perhaps even back up your assertions with facts instead of rumors and half baked claims.
It’s so funny how the evolution has become a “holy cow” in certain circles, but it’s even more interesting how people always resort to the black white picture painted by current trends in american politics. You are either with us, or against us, you are either a yellow dog democrat, or a neo-con. No no no, there are other alternatives outside of your white and black world.
In the same way, in terms if one does not subscribe to the evolution, it automatically puts one in the “ceationist” camp. Sigh.
Do your research, there are thousands upon thousands of scientific evidence that dis-proves Darwin’s evolution, and proves using the same scientific method that proves the evolution to (Darwin’s) evolutionists, that pre-historic cultures that pre-dates “the caveman” with millions, and even billions of years have existed.
Think for yourself, look around you, study the world and open your eyes. And stop making fun of everything you don’t understand. Try to be a bit humble, like Ron Paul. You might learn something.
The author of this crap is a dickhead. I read about half way and couldn’t see the point in continuing.
I am also an Australian.
I hope the hack reads this, you sir are a supreme dickhead.
Wow. After seeing these diatribes over a blog that CLEARLY talks about news events with tongue firmly planted in cheek, let me suggest a slogan for the Ron Paul wackos: Fight fascism with fascism.
You people are certifiably nuts, and extremely angry about things beyond the political system.
I am a Ron Paul supporter, and a fan of this blog.
These two things are not mutually exclusive!
You are also not a spastic, overbearing nut job, Schuyler.
If more Ron Paul supporters weren’t humorless spazzes, maybe your guy would have a chance.
Ron Paul is up on his history, it appears for more than many who post comments here and provides a far more common sense of the issue of the War Between The States as well as issues.
Here is a little history that few have ever read and have probably never learned in school…
“Men do not willingly read unpalatable truths of themselves. The People, like those best who fool them most, by pandering to their vices and flattering their foibles”—Admiral Raphael Semmes.
Slavery was an evil institution in this country, both in the North and the South however, we fail to understand the real issues concerning the War Between the States. My suggestion is that you read: The Rise and Fall of the Confederate Government by Jefferson Davis-1881, or War of the Rebellion: Official Government Records of the Union and Confederate Armies-1884, or the Slave Narratives (a true shocker) compiled from interviews of last living former slaves during the Great Depression. Another is: The Southern States of the American Union by J.L.M. Curry-1894. Read a booklet written by a Slave named Harrison Berry in 1861 called: Slavery and Abolitionism, as Viewed by a Georgia Slave, an amazing little book that completely contradicts and flies in the face of the accepted history of the South, the Union and Slavery. Read the 1864 report called: The Conduct of Federal Troops in Louisiana…it will make you sick. Read the Lincoln-Douglas Debates, another amazing eye-opener. I could provide you will numerous others, which tell a very different story then the one most of us, have learned in school. Books, papers and newspaper editorials of that period which would shock most Americans, but we have been so well indoctrinated into a very specific view of the Union’s victory that all else is forgotten, ignored and all intelligent discourse ostracized. We fail ourselves when we avoid the truth of any issue, including the so-called “Civil War” and the real reasons for that War.
The Southern States actually voted to ban the slave trade as early as 1820 however, the Northern Slave traders continued to import and smuggle slaves into the South. The first State to pass the prohibition of the importation of slaves was Virginia. In addition, a vast majority of Southern States voted to extend the Missouri Compromise to the Pacific, but that too was voted down by a majority of Northern States. A strange fact is that no law was ever passed in the North that granted freedom to a person enslaved, that came in 1865, long after the falsely called Emancipation Proclamation which, by the way, only freed slaves within in the South, but did nothing to free those within any areas actually controlled by the Union. That should be considered one of those inconvenient truths that most histories avoid. The problem was that slave-ownership was never very profitable in the North except for those who engaged in the actual importation and trade of slaves, conducted exclusively by Northern shipping companies.
In the population of the South, only 3% were large Slave owners, which begs the question as to why so many people, non-slave owners volunteered to wage a war against the North if Slavery was the real issue. Another amazing and well documented fact is that while the North had about 200 thousand black conscripts in its army, the South had over 300 thousand blacks, the vast majority of them were volunteer slaves and free men of color. Another interesting fact is that the Union leaders were extremely shocked that the Slave uprising never materialized as they expected, instead they found just the opposite.
The black population of the South was essential to the War effort, but contrary to Unionist propaganda, the black population was not forcefully induced to support that effort, the vast majority of them volunteered their time and labor. Slaves were not intimidated by their white owners to remain and work the farms, or working in the Iron Works…they volunteered and if it had not been for the black volunteers then the South could have never maintained its effort for freedom and liberty as long as it did. Sure, there were some blacks that ran away, but the vast majority of them did not, they remained, they helped. Read about Bill Yopp, former Slave and Confederate Veteran that was offered a permanent residence at the Confederate Soldier’s Home. Even after the War, ex-Slaves chose to remain with their former masters and even helped sustain them during one of the most devastating impositions of Unionists misnomers called “reconstruction”.
A British observer, Captain Fremantle witnessed an unusual site in a captured Northern town, he states that he saw a Confederate soldier leading a captured Union soldier down the street all alone, but the strange part of it was that the Confederate soldier was black. He went on to say: “This little episode of a Southern slave leading a white Yankee soldier through a Northern village, alone and on his own accord, would not have been gratifying to an abolitionist, nor would the sympathizers both in England and in the North feel encouraged if they could hear the language of detestation and contempt with which the numerous Negroes with Southern armies speak of their [Northern] liberators.”
Another shocker is to read just how Unionist armies treated Slaves in conquered territories of the South…it was, to be restrained, despicable, to say the least. Not to mention the general atrocities committed by Union armies on the general population of the South.
Read the Census data of 1860, the North repelled the possibility of free black immigration. In that year the black population in the North was 1.7%, strange that there was so little migration allowed into the North if the North was so concerning with the plight of Slaves. Do some research and find out just how the freed Slave were treated in the North, then read the Slave Narratives and see how they were treated, for the most part, in the South.
Another amazing fact is that Robert E. Lee and others called for the immediate emancipation of all Slaves, while there were those like Jefferson Davis who believed that it was the responsibility of Slave owners to educate and prepare them for freedom. Everyone in the South knew that the economic reality of Slavery was rapidly diminishing long before Secession and the War and would have probably been completely economically unviable by 1870 due to progress in agricultural machinery. Jefferson Davis stated that no matter who won the War, that Slavery would eventually become a defunct institution. Several Confederate Generals were not Slave owners, here are a few: Robert E. Lee, Joseph Johnston, A. P. Hill, Fitzhugh Lee, J.E.B. Stuart.
In a Confederate soldier’s journal was found the following words: “I was a soldier in Virginia in the campaigns of Lee and Jackson, and I declare I never met a Southern soldier who had drawn his sword to perpetuate slavery. What he had chiefly at heart was the preservation of the supreme and sacred right of self-government. It was a very small minority of men who fought in the Southern armies who were financially interested in the institution of slavery”
The Northern States pasted exclusion laws that made it hard or impossible for freed Slaves to enter or settle in their jurisdictions. Massachusetts passed laws that allowed the flogging of blacks that remained in the State over 2 months, Indiana’s constitution stated, “no negro or mulatto shall come into or settle in the state. Most of the Northern States crafted similar laws and imposed harsh penalties on freed or runaway Slaves. John Sherman, William Tecumseh’s brother declared in 1862 that: “We do not like the negroes. We do not disguise our dislike. As my friend from Indiana said yesterday: The whole people of the Northwestern States are opposed to having many negroes among them and that principle or prejudice has been engraved in the legislation for nearly all the Northwestern States.” There were actually far more beatings and lynchings in the North during that period then in the South during the “Jim Crow” period.
Read about former Slave and Legislator Richard Harris, elected to the Mississippi House of Representatives in 1890. On February 23, 1890 he delivered a speech on the floor:
“Mr. Speaker! I have arisen here in my place to offer a few words on the bill [raising funds for a Confederate Monument]. I have come from a sick bed, perhaps it was not prudent for me to come, but Sir, I could not rest quietly in my room without contributing a few remarks of my own. I was sorry the hear the speech of the young gentleman from Marshall County. I am sorry that any son of a soldier should go on record as opposed to the erection of a monument in honor of the brave dead. And, Sir, I am convinced that had he seen what I saw at Seven Pines and in the Seven Days’ of fighting around Richmond, the battlefield covered with the mangled forms of those who fought for their country and for their country’s honor, he would not have made that speech.
When the news came that the South had been invaded, those men went forth to fight for what they believed, and they made no requests for monuments. But they died, and their virtues should be remembered. Sir, I went with them. I too, wore the Gray, the same color my master wore. We stayed four long years, and if that war had gone on till now I would have been there yet. I want to honor those brave men who died for their convictions. When my mother died I was a boy. Who, Sir, then acted the part of a mother to the orphaned slave boy, but my “old missus”? Were she living now, or could speak to me from those high realms where are gathered the sainted dead, she would tell me to vote for this bill. And, Sir, I shall vote for it. I want it known to all the world that my vote is given in favor of the bill to erect a monument in honor of the Confederate dead.”
On the day of the vote, not only did the former Slave John Harris vote for the bill, but also the other 6 black Representatives in that Legislature to pass the bill and fund the monument joined him in equally adamant zeal.
Now, a very interesting point concerning the ratification of the 14th Amendment and the expansion of federal control and national citizenship, is that initially the votes came in as 22 votes yes and 12 votes no and 3 not voting…there were 28 votes needed to ratify the Amendment. With the defeat of the Amendment the Northern Unionist Congress members changed rules to ensure passage by declaring the Southern States remained outside the Union, to deny majority rule in the Southern States by the disfranchisement of large voting blocks of voters. Then to put the icing on the cake, they required all the Southern States to ratify the Amendment in other to be allowed back into the Union. So, in 1861 the North refused to allow the South to leave the Union and in 1867.
This caused a tremendous amount of dissent within many of the States, including Northern ones. In a Joint Resolution from the State of New Jersey, it stated: “That it being necessary, by the Constitution, that every amendment to the same should be proposed by two-thirds of both Houses of Congress, the authors of said proposition, for the purpose of securing the assent of the requisite majority, determined to, and did, exclude from the said two Houses eighty representatives from eleven States of the Union; upon the pretense that there were no such States in the Union; but, finding that two-thirds of the remainder of said houses could not be brought to assent to the said proposition they deliberately formed and carried out the design of mutilating the integrity of the United States Senate, and without any pretext or justification, other than the possession of the power, without the right, and in the palpable violation of the Constitution, ejected a member of their own body, representing this state and thus denied to New Jersey its equal suffrage in the Senate.” The resolution went on to conclude that the 14th Amendment needed to be denounced because: “It imposes new prohibitions upon the power of the State to pass laws, and interdicts the execution of such parts of the common law as the national judiciary may esteem inconsistent with the vague provisions of the said amendment, made vague for the purpose of facilitating encroachments upon the lives, liberty and property of the People. It [14th Amendment] enlarges the judicial power of the United States so as to bring every law passed by the State within the jurisdiction of the federal tribunals. It transfers Congress the whole control of the right of suffrage in the State, a power which they [the States] have never been willing to surrender to the general government and which was reserved to the States as a fundamental principle on which the Constitution itself was constructed: the principle of self-government.”
The Resolution by the State of New Jersey says it all, and it is still at the heart of what has happened to this country since the War of Southern Independence. Today, we still suffer from the legislative usurpations of Unionist ideology that promoted a completely centralized national government over the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America. Now that we are on the Constitution an interested read was written by William Rawle in 1825 called Views of the Constitution and another work by James Kent called Commentaries on American Law written in 1827, both are definitive works on what was considered until 1861 as the Right of the States to cede from the Union which was always considered a voluntary agreement between the States until Lincoln. By the way, both books were used to teach Constitutional law at West Point until after the War; at that point the West Point Library was purged of any original Constitutional analysis that supported the foundation of a voluntary union between independent States. In Rawle’s book he stated: “It depends on the State itself to retain or abolish the principle of representatives, because it depends on itself whether it will continue a member of the Union. To deny this right would be inconsistent with the principle of which all our political systems are founded, which is, that the people have in all cases, a right to determine how they will be governed. This right must be considered as an ingredient in the original composition of the general government, which, through not express, was mutually understood. The secession of a State from the Union depends on the will of the People of such State. The People alone as we have already seen, hold the power to alter their Constitution. But in any manner by which secession is to take place nothing is more certain than that the act should be deliberate, clear, and unequivocal. To withdraw from the Union is a solemn, serious act. Whenever it may appear expedient to the People of a State, it must be manifested in a direct and unequivocal manner.” Remember that was written in 1827. The States, all States were sovereign and independent and the Union was purely reflective of the Constitutional Authority that rest primarily within the States, reserved to the States and the People.
In my judgment, it is necessary to understand the real reasons behind the entire episode of the War, both in the decades preceding it and the decades proceeding. If we look at the subject, not from the view point of Unionist victory, but from a sober and realistic point, researching the actual history and documents of the time then an entirely different view arises from those we have been taught and are comfortable accepting.
First, I believe that the Ron Paul Revolution is probably one of the best things to happen to this country in a very long time. It has, if nothing else, opened the door for debate on subject levels this country has not seen.
However, one thing has become very apparent in these online debate forums and that is the level of misinformation about Dr. Paul’s actual stances, an accepted history that is so revised that it is not recognizable when confronted with the facts, and rebuttals on the side of anti-Paul forces that seem to lack, for the most part, any real substance and primarily consists of name-calling instead of factual points of debate.
I have noticed comments on several articles that offer a few one or two line pot shots at Dr. Paul but never offer any real substance defending their pot shots. I would say that 90% of all comments against Dr. Paul lack real content or debatable substance…that’s pretty sad.
Oh my God … look at that abomination of a post. Who let Ted Kaczynski out of SuperMax?
I was about to give you credit for signing your name to such an (albeit wrongly) opinionated piece, because I’m old-fashioned enough to credit people who are open, bold and sincere in their beliefs.
Then I double-checked and discovered you had done no such thing. As such, in my book, you go from a brave but deluded pundit, to a blabbering coward.
The above post is roughly as logical as the article it comments on.
you should be arrested for making such statements.
it is a threat on a presidential candidate and you
do know that is against the law?
dr. paul wants nothing more than to restore this country to its once great standing in the world. he wants liberty to be restored for the people. anyone who opposes his message is, in my humble opinion, against what the constitution stands for.
shame on you.
I like Ron Paul’s ideas of being a non-interventionist nation, just as our Founding Fathers had wanted. If we keep going the way we’re going we won’t last much longer. We’re spread out far too thin already and now we’re talking about possibly attacking Iran. If you know anything about history then you know that similar circumstances led to the fall of Rome.
And, since the author of this piece brought up the issue of evolution for some odd reason, I’m an atheist and I’m fairly sceptical of the theory of evolution.
This “writer” is a moron.
The problem with RP, and what makes he and many of his supporters kooks have never been defined.
The problem is, he wants to tear down a capitalistic system forcing an economic collapse of the greatest country on the planet without a plan to rebuild or preserve what we have. Destroy the Federal Reserve and our stock markets would collapse. We would fall into a depression, carrying many other allies with us. Destroy the IRS and income taxes and our military would not have funds to protect our borders. Our volunteer Army would become non-existant, our defense would suffer, and our enemies would salivate. Ron Paul will not address these issues, he simply cites Constitutional preference supporting his destruction and has no ability or vision to preserve. Instead he says, “Conserve” and seems to think this in itself will make it all right. RP, and many of his supporters are irresponsible kooks who don’t want to work, pay taxes, or be responsible and productive American citizens. They are disenchanted with America because they themselves are losers and misfits who can’t cope with society as we know it, so they want to change it. Well, guess what! We all want government out of our lives. We all want change. We all want less taxes. We all want a better America! Grassroot supporters belong in the grass, the weeds. They don’t represent mainstream America where we take active part in contributing to America, taxes, true and unsolicited patriotism that is not bought and paid for like the blimp people. We ARE America, and we want change, but want not irresponsible change. We want a plan. Ron Paul has nothing. Finally, the last thing we need in the new Presidency is another nut from Texas.
Dmsc can lick my balls,vote dr paul 08′
Ron Paul supporters are dead serious and don’t like jokes about him because it threatens ideas of freedom. He has taken on a symbol of freedom in the modern world. Symbols have power. Most of his supporters don’t know him personally, it’s what he represents. Freedom is popular, and so whatever represents it will be as well.
You obviously have no clue what’s happening around you, and so talk of freedom goes in one ear and out the other. Listen to me - You are free in only 1 respect: free of the self criticism that may make you the unswerving master of your own fate. Until you take that back, you won’t believe you’ve lost any freedom until the military is at your door. It’s also no surprise that you get a kick out of making fun of other people and awaiting the responses.
It’s not about Ron Paul so much as it is the freedom he talks about. I do not know him, yet he has my support. Oh, and what makes you so “Sure” that he will not be assassinated? Is that your idea of a disclaimer for making fun so you won’t feel bad if it happens? Kill your TV and read a book.
Wake up.
Jake,
If you research RP more , and not just take smear points as fact, then you would have your answers.
Yes, we have been lied to and taken advantage of. This is the first step towards stability and understanding. The founding fathers knew what they were talking about and tyranny will always dumb down the masses and/or exterminate them for control. So please continue to research RP’s message of hope and get through your dissonance. This country needs every able body to repair what has been taken from us.
To see a picture of what a lady on the other side of the street in Dealy Plaza caught on her camera as the JFK limo went by and JFK got hit in the head right in front on her go to Youtube and type in the search box “Badge Man”. Part 1 is about 9 minutes and Part 2 is about 9 minutes. Then go to Google and do a search on “Files on JFK” and James Files. He was 30 feet down the fence to the right of Badge Man. This is some stuff you might not have known about.
I truly do not know what is more scary. Coin-gressman Ron Paul, his many obviously mentally unbalanced supporters, or both of them. Oh well. I guess the best thing that can happen is should Paul not get the GOP nod he then decides to run as an Independent Candidate. Then, just as Ross Perot did in 1992, he acts as a “kook magnet” to pull away votes from the mainstream GOP and thus guarantees a Clinton/Obama (or Obama/Clinton?) win in 2008.
I Think we have WAY too much time on our hands.
Ron actually makes a point and all hell breaks out over it. Sad thing is everyone these days are experts on whatever they write or talk about. No one really thinks that much anymore. Because Paul does think he is strange?? I say almost alien to this culture. He has more credentials than most of us, and I suspect many of the folks writing against him are either angry because he crosses traditional thought or because they do not think for themselves. For sure anyone that works for any government paid institution wants Paul to dissapear. They might actually have to perform and get off the white collar welfare system. By all means vote for more sociallisim. Both the republicans and democrats are socialist to the american people and capitalist to american elites. Go ahead, make fun of Ron. You should vote for more of the same. I bet you feel comfortable there, plus there is an advantage… you dont have to think for yourself :)Just repeat after the media, they know what you should believe about President Lincoln, they are all well educated on the subject, moreso than you, so dont look it up for yourself, they will take good care of your thinking process.
I fail to see the relevance of Ron Paul’s belief in creationism. Personally I think evolution is absurd and it too is just another religion based on the laws of man which is flawed. Basically evoltion tells us the universe came from some abscure dot that exploded and we came from a rock. No proof, just atheistic beliefs. Our founders were creationists for heavans sake. I fail to see the negativity of believing in God. 80 - 90 percent of Americans believe in God. Now that I got that off my chest I am a die hard Ron Paul and will vote for him. Apparently the author of this article doesn’t seem to mind that his God given Constitutional rights are being obliterated. I guess globalism and loss of national sovereignty is no big deal either.
The original writer of this article is a complete moron. Wait…… he’s good with punctuation, that’s about it.
hay LOOK A small minority of dimwits who believe that Ron Paul is too good to be true and represents nothing more than an establishment puppet have seized upon a 15-year-old affiliation with a Neo-Con to charge that the Congressman is a “Zionist shill” in the latest pathetic attempt to scrape the barrel and sling mud at the presidential candidate.
Lewis E. Lehrman, the co-author of Ron Paul’s 1993 book “The Case for Gold,” was later a signatory to the infamous Project For a New American Century document, a pre-9/11 Neo-Con blueprint which yearned for a “new Pearl Harbor” to justify U.S. military expansionism across the globe.
The fact that the book itself is a sober argument for a return to the gold standard is ignored while Paul’s affiliation with Lehrman is seized upon as evidence that Ron Paul is a “Zionist shill” and “part of the New World Order.”
Who is this prate, talking about his mother is he still attached to her apron strings what a looser.
You talk about shooting fish in a barrel, may be its time you shot your self.
How sad you are “DMAC”. You are stupid and unamusing and your article is bland and boringly contrived. You’re a writer? Ha, don’t quit your day job.
I thought you said you were going to poke fun at Ron Paul?
Misquotes, ad hominems, and out right lies. Wow. So much for sound journalism. What really concerns me is that you act as if our elected officials are honest and loyal to the American people. It’s cute that you have that 9th grade innocence. It’s even more interesting how you quickly label people. I’d just like to know who you’re voting for. That would be interesting. And just for the record, I’ve never run into any Ron Paul people that weren’t polite, happy, and hopeful. If that’s crazy, then the world is truely a sad and lost place. I wouldn’t doubt that you may get bitch slapped for your stupidity one day. Not that I condone that sort of thing.
What a miserable excuse for a journalist you are…..pffftttt!
Ron Paul for President!
Hey Phillyman, you’d better eat it up while you can, here is your 15 minutes of fame. You’ll never get this much attention again. Quick! Do something worthwhile while we’re all actually paying attention to you!!!
hey man how about you ron paul fans suck it!!
ron paul is secretly a secret CONSTITUTION HATER who hates THE CONSTITUTION and i will NOT let him deny it anymore
ron paul on the constitution: “i wipe my ass with it”
D-Mac,
I commend the fact that you even search sites like infowars.com, or prisonplanet.tv for alternative stories to discuss. I have to say, thats where my consideration of your journalistic talents end. The reason for articles like this is to make sure that if the “powers-to-be” the secretive elites even so much as attempt an assassination, that the people that have followed Dr. Paul’s career, his rise to popularity, the public flood of support not because of who he is, or who he knows, but because his message just rings true somewhere deep in the hearts of true Americans.
These people who do not get their true news from the TV News Media Elite, Do not read the national newspapers where groups of wealthy individuals tell the editors what can, and can not be printed. They get their news based on trusted sources, mostly on the free-uncontrolled internet, that have proven themselves over and over again as reliable, based on the true contect of their news and not who they work for.
These same people abhoar media persons, such as yourself who not only are not doing the job you are paid to do, namely investigate, but just become a member of the elite controlled peanut gallery choir, spiining yet more lies to the American people.
We are tired of the true people and issues being tossed to the back pages, the real stories that need to be on Page ONE, the items that are marginalized and minimized to nothing more than a blurb or soundbyte.
Ron Paul has a huge following, certainly not because he has political ties to someone with Deep pockets. He is popular becuase he truely believes our government and the Repulican party has lost their way and no longer represent the values they were founded on.
Ron Paul has:
* never voted to raise taxes
* Never voted for an unbalanced budget
* Never voted to raise congressional pay
* never takes a government paid junket
*never voted to increase the power of the executive branch
* never voted to regulate the internet
* Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension plan
* did not vote for the Patriot Act
& Did not vote for the war in Iraq.
If you feel as though he has no chance of winning the 2008 presidential race, tell me, D-Mac, instead of bashing him as a longshot like so many other media pundints, who would you want as our next president, and what qualities, platforms and background do they have that represent anything close to Dr. Paul’s?
Remember this, Conspiracy means simply that more than 1 person is involved, and its not a theory if #1 there is proff, or a pattern to be seen from historically similar events.
Do your homework and wake up, instead of feeding sleeping pills to your readers. If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention.
The article that you originally refer to was written from an interview
Man, these Ron Paul nuts are relentless. They have even hijacked AOL’s online presidential poll and have Ron Paul winning 47 of 50 states by loading up the vote.
Man, I wish, wish, wish he would win the GOP nomination so the 2008 election would be a landslide for the Dems. Sadly, all these 9% of GOP voters are doing is alienating and annoying reasonable people with their crazy, obsessive antics.
PhillyFreedom….
When AOL first placed that poll online, it was heavily touted by AOL as completely non-spammable. Apparently, when they saw the massive results favoring Ron Paul there was a decision made to revise the poll, so instead of one vote per IP address, they opened it up for multiple votes in hopes that they could either level the results or place blame on Ron Paul supporters.
You guys have no clue, to run your mouth and live in Philly is silly when cats step to you then what you gonna do,Nothing like the sucker types you are.
Ron Paul President 2008… all others are suckers
Neo-Con,war mongers who dodged the draft - “Sucker Types”
Google the “Clinton Chronicles” & “Freedom to Fascism”